{"id":283,"date":"2022-03-25T22:06:41","date_gmt":"2022-03-25T22:06:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/zindi24.com\/?p=283"},"modified":"2022-07-08T23:59:14","modified_gmt":"2022-07-08T23:59:14","slug":"holloway-nezikatiyen-klasik-daveke-nasnameyi-ye-dibe-ku-afirineriya-kurdan-lawaz-bike-pirozmendikirin-ocalan-tengav-dike","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nlka.net\/ku\/holloway-nezikatiyen-klasik-daveke-nasnameyi-ye-dibe-ku-afirineriya-kurdan-lawaz-bike-pirozmendikirin-ocalan-tengav-dike\/","title":{"rendered":"Holloway: N\u00eaz\u00eekatiy\u00ean klas\u00eek daveke nasnamey\u00ee ye dibe ku afir\u00eeneriya Kurdan lawaz bike\u2026 “p\u00eerozmend\u00eekirin” Ocalan tengav dike"},"content":{"rendered":"

C\u00ceHAD HEM\u00ca<\/strong><\/p>\n

John Holloway ku di projeya xwe de xwe disp\u00eare d\u00eenam\u00eezma tevger\u00ean civak\u00ee \u00fb r\u00eabaz\u00ean n\u00fb y\u00ean t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena li dij\u00ee s\u00eestema hey\u00ee, di nava w\u00earan\u00ee \u00fb tundiya li Rojhilata Nav\u00een de, h\u00eav\u00ee di tevgera Kurdan \u00fb nirxandin\u00ean Ocalan de dib\u00eene. Holloway naxwaze bi wateya romant\u00eekek\u00ee xeyalperest pi\u015ftgiriya xwe bi \u015fore\u015fa Rojava \u00fb t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena Kurdan re n\u00ee\u015fan bide, l\u00ea di \u00e7ar\u00e7oveya rexnegerir\u00ee \u00fb diyalekt\u00eek de pi\u015ftgiriy\u00ea dide \u015fore\u015fgerek\u00ee. Pi\u015ftre, \u00e7awa li hember\u00ee rew\u015f\u00ean dijwar \u00ean li p\u00ea\u015fiya \u015fore\u015fa Rojava-Bakur \u00fb Rojhilat\u00ea S\u00fbriy\u00ea, bisekine.<\/p>\n

Di v\u00ea \u00e7ar\u00e7ovey\u00ea de, Holloway \u00e7awa t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena Kurdan \u00fb nirxandin\u00ean Ocalan nas kir? Gelo d\u00ea nim\u00fbneya Rojava-Bakur \u00fb Rojhilat\u00ea S\u00fbriy\u00ea dewam bike b\u00ea ka li ser nakokiyan were sekinandin \u00fb n\u00eeqa\u015fkirin? Gelo nakok\u00ee di navbera \u00e7\u00eena p\u00ea\u015feng \u00fb r\u00eaveberiya civak\u00ee ya demokrat\u00eek de \u00e7i ne? Ev pirs \u00fb gelek pirs\u00ean din, bi r\u00eaya Navenda Kurd\u00ee ya L\u00eakol\u00eenan di be\u015fa duyem\u00een a hevpeyv\u00een\u00ea de, em \u00ea ji John Holloway pirs bikin.<\/p>\n

Berfirehiya hevd\u00eetin\u00ea wiha ye:<\/strong><\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Ez dixwazim niha derbas\u00ee doza Kurdan bibim. Te \u00e7awa t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena Kurdan \u00fb \u015fore\u015fa Rojava ku niha nav\u00ea w\u00ea R\u00eaveberiya Xweser a Bakur \u00fb Rojhilat\u00ea S\u00fbriy\u00ea ye, nas kir?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: Ez\u00eeza Aslan ji bo ku r\u00ea n\u00ee\u015fan\u00ee min bide bi roleke gir\u00eeng rab\u00fb. B\u00ea guman beriya niha \u00a0j\u00ee bi r\u00eaya xwendina min a gi\u015ft\u00ee \u00fb bi r\u00eaya hin hevalan, min tevgera kurd\u00ee nas kir. Sala 2015`an ez ji bo konferanseke li Hamburg\u00ea hatim vexwendin. Ev konferans ji bo min gelek\u00ee balk\u00ea\u015f b\u00fb. Pi\u015ft\u00ee w\u00ea, \u00e7alavkvaneke di tevgera kurd\u00ee de li Ewropay\u00ea H\u00eav\u00een Gun\u00eeser, gelek caran serdana bajar\u00ea Puebla y\u00ea Meks\u00eekay\u00ea kir \u00fb behsa tevgera kurd\u00ee kir. Ev yek ji bo min b\u00fb derfetek ku h\u00eena z\u00eadetir n\u00eeqa\u015f\u00ean dir\u00eaj bi w\u00ea re bikim da ku tevgera kurd\u00ee bi berfireh\u00ee nas bikim. Her wiha pi\u015ftre anku beriya niha bi 4 salan, Ez\u00eeza Aslan ji bo amadekirina projeya der\u00e7\u00fbn\u00ea ya doktoray\u00ea hate gel me. Tecrubeyeke pir ba\u015f b\u00fb ku ji w\u00ea f\u00ear bibim \u00fb r\u00eaxistin\u00ea \u00fb nakokiy\u00ean w\u00ea bizanim.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Bi n\u00ear\u00eena te, gir\u00eengtir\u00een destkeftiy\u00ean ku \u015fore\u015fa Rojava bi dest xistine \u00fb berztir\u00een astengiy\u00ean sereke y\u00ean li p\u00ea\u015fiya \u015fore\u015fa Rojava \u00e7i ne?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: Bi d\u00eetina min, destkeftiya her\u00ee berbi\u00e7av ku \u015fore\u015fa Rojava bi dest xistiye ew e ku\u00a0 \u00e7ar\u00e7oveya ramana \u015fore\u015fger\u00ee \u00fb r\u00eaxistin\u00ee ya li dij\u00ee kap\u00eetal\u00eezm\u00ea bi gelember\u00ee guher\u00ee. Ev yek ne bi ten\u00ea bi r\u00eaya gotina “Em naxwazin bibin dewlet” bi dest xist, l\u00ea bel\u00ea bi r\u00eaya r\u00eaxistina xwe ya ku di prat\u00eeka 9 sal\u00ean derbasb\u00fby\u00ee de li dij\u00ee dewlet\u00ea n\u00ee\u015fan daye, bi dest xistiye. Ev r\u00eaxistin\u00ean li dij\u00ee dewlet\u00ea rengek ji reng\u00ea r\u00eaxistina civak\u00ee ya kom\u00eenal e. Bicihday\u00eena jinan \u00fb rola wan a r\u00eaveberiy\u00ea de di veguher\u00eena civak\u00ee de \u015fore\u015fek p\u00eak an\u00ee. Di heman dem\u00ea de, ew gir\u00eengiy\u00ea didin di veguherandina t\u00eakiliyan di navbera mirov \u00fb xwezay\u00ea de. Astengiya mezin a li p\u00ea\u015fiya wan j\u00ee guhartina c\u00eehan\u00ea ber bi asoy\u00ean n\u00fb ve ye. \u015eore\u015fa Rojava di guhartina c\u00eehan\u00ea de, r\u00eayeke n\u00fb ya fikirandin\u00ea vedike, b\u00ea guman ev j\u00ee gir\u00eaday\u00ee ti\u015fta ku Zapat\u00eesta dib\u00eaje \u00fb ev 28 sal e di \u00e7ar\u00e7oveya gi\u015ft\u00ee de p\u00eak t\u00eene. L\u00ea t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena Rojava di naveroka xwe de cuda ye, ji ber ku wek\u00ee destp\u00eak\u00ea \u00a0p\u00ea\u015fket\u00ee ye. Li hember\u00ee \u00eari\u015f\u00ean dijmin, ti\u015fta ciyawaz kar\u00eena dewamkirina v\u00ea yek\u00ea. Ev yek j\u00ee bi rast\u00ee seyr e.<\/p>\n

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Mijara din a gir\u00eaday\u00ee astengiyan j\u00ee, berdewamkirina di v\u00ea rew\u015fa tirsnak de bi ser\u00ea xwe astengiyek e. Astengiyeke din j\u00ee ew e ku nekevin mijar\u00ean fikr\u00ean nasnamey\u00ea \u00fb r\u00eaxistin\u00ea li ser w\u00ea binyad\u00ea saz bikin. Ev yek j\u00ee me careke din vediger\u00een\u00ea n\u00eeqa\u015f\u00ean Adorno. Astengiya mezin ku nekevin parastina tevger\u00ea bi away\u00ea nasnamey\u00ee. Bi gotineke din, nekevin xefika nasnameya netewey\u00ee ya klas\u00eek. Bi baweriya min, yek ji ti\u015ft\u00ean gir\u00eeng ji bo min der bar\u00ea tevgera kurd\u00ee de ku nasnameya netewey\u00ee ya klas\u00eek tev\u00ee ku di destp\u00eaka w\u00ea de yek ji armanc\u00ean w\u00ea y\u00ean sereke b\u00fb, derbas kir. Tevgera kurd\u00ee ev yek gelek\u00ee derbas kir. L\u00ea bi \u00eari\u015f\u00ean le\u015fker\u00ee y\u00ean li dij\u00ee w\u00ea, metirs\u00ee heye ku careke din di \u00e7ar\u00e7oveya netewey\u00ee ya teng de, parastina xwe bike. B\u00ea guman ev yek t\u00ea f\u00eamkirin, l\u00ea w\u00ea afir\u00eeneya xwe ya balk\u00ea\u015f winda bike.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Li gor\u00ee agahiy\u00ean gel min, tu li dij\u00ee fereseta part\u00ee yan j\u00ee \u00e7\u00eeneke p\u00ea\u015feng a r\u00eaveberina kar \u00fb bar\u00ean xelk\u00ea y\u00ee. Di rastiy\u00ea de, heta niha tevgera kurd\u00ee parastina fikir\u00ean kadro yan j\u00ee s\u00eestema r\u00eavebirina xelk\u00ea dike. Di hin rew\u015fan de j\u00ee, ew di ser civak \u00fb \u00eeradeya w\u00ea re t\u00eane girtin (ji ber zan\u00eena wan an j\u00ee pabendb\u00fbna wan bi doza \u015foreger\u00ee) ku ev j\u00ee bi felsefeya tevgera kurd\u00ee re nakok e. Gelo \u00e7awa ev r\u00eaveber\u00ee d\u00ea gel bi r\u00eaxistin bike b\u00eay\u00ee ku reng\u00ean n\u00fb y\u00ean hiyerar\u015f\u00eek \u00fb hegemon biafir\u00een\u00ea? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: Di baweriya min de ya gir\u00eeng balki\u015fandina ser pirsgir\u00eakan e \u00fb naskirina nakokiyan e, wek\u00ee ku te di pirsa xwe de j\u00ee got, div\u00ea were gotin; em di rew\u015feke nakok de ne, div\u00ea em \u00e7awa n\u00eaz bibin? Ya her\u00ee xerab ew e ku em xwe b\u00eay\u00ee heb\u00fbna nakokiyan bidin n\u00ee\u015fandan. Rast e, em di c\u00eehana kap\u00eetal\u00eezm de ne, ev yek j\u00ee t\u00ea wateya ku gelek nakokiy\u00ean gir\u00eaday\u00ee s\u00eestem, \u00e7awaniya hizirandin\u00ea \u00fb n\u00eaz\u00eekb\u00fbna j\u00ea re, hene. Li gel tevgera Zapat\u00eesta ev pirsgir\u00eak\u00ean domdar heb\u00fbn. Diyar e ku r\u00eaveber\u00ea wan Markos di sal\u00ean destp\u00eak\u00ea de wek\u00ee r\u00eaveber hat n\u00ee\u015fandan \u00fb wek r\u00eaveber dest bi kar kir. Di nava \u00e7end salan de, hewl dan r\u00eabaz\u00ean li hember\u00ee v\u00ea yek\u00ea bib\u00eenin; destp\u00eak\u00ea div\u00ea were gotin ku ew ne r\u00eaveber e, l\u00ea bel\u00ea ew r\u00eaveber\u00ea \u015faxek\u00ea ye ku ferman\u00ean xwe ji fermandariya gi\u015ft\u00ee digire \u00fb pi\u015ftre w\u00ee ji raya gi\u015ft\u00ee d\u00fbr bixin. Her wiha gotin “Di hevd\u00eetin\u00ean gi\u015ft\u00ee de ji \u00eero \u00fb p\u00ea ve dernakeve”. Di dawiy\u00ea de, nav\u00ea w\u00ee hate guhartin. Markos bi awayek\u00ee manew\u00ee hate ku\u015ftin \u00fb Galliano cih\u00ea w\u00ee girt. Niha nav\u00ea Galliano li Markos t\u00ea kirin \u00fb \u00ead\u00ee ne berdevk\u00ea sereke y\u00ea tevgera Zapat\u00eesta ye. Berdevk\u00ea hey\u00ee Markos.<\/p>\n

L\u00ea di demeke pir kurt de gotin “Pirsgir\u00eakeke me heye, ji ber ku em wek art\u00ea\u015feke p\u00eeram\u00eed\u00ee r\u00eaxistinkir\u00ee ne. Civak ku em dixwazin ava bikin j\u00ee, li dij\u00ee p\u00eeram\u00eed\u00ea ye. Lewra em wek\u00ee art\u00ea\u015f jiyaneke ba\u015ftir dixwazin, ji ber ev armanca me \u00fb r\u00eaxistina me ye. P\u00eeram\u00eed heye, l\u00ea \u00e7awa em \u00ea v\u00ea hiyerar\u015fiya p\u00eeram\u00eed derbas bikin? Bi v\u00ea yek\u00ea j\u00ee r\u00eaxistin\u00ean civak\u00ee y\u00ean her\u00eam\u00ee xurttir kirin. L\u00ea ez bawer im ku ev k\u00ea\u015fe heta niha heye \u00fb a gir\u00eeng ku em nas bikin \u00fb bihizirin ku em \u00ea \u00e7awa bingeha civakb\u00fbn\u00ea li dij\u00ee hiyerar\u015fiya p\u00eeram\u00eed bih\u00eaztir bikin.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Ev t\u00ea wateya ku em bibin Hegel\u00ee \u00fb nakokiyan p\u00eeroz bikin\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: B\u00ea guman.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Pi\u015ft\u00ee \u015fer\u00ea li dij\u00ee DAI\u015e`\u00ea, gelek bajar w\u00earan b\u00fbn. Di encam\u00ea de gelek r\u00eaxistin\u00ean ne gir\u00eaday\u00ee hikumetan derbas\u00ee her\u00eam\u00ea b\u00fbn da ku al\u00eekariy\u00ean mirov\u00ee p\u00ea\u015fk\u00ea\u015f bikin. Tu bawer dik\u00ee ku ev r\u00eaxistin\u00ean ne gir\u00eaday\u00ee hikumetan, li p\u00ea\u015fiya derfet\u00ean R\u00eaveberiya Xweser a Demokrat\u00eek bisekinin?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: Bawer dikim ku r\u00eaxistin\u00ean ne gir\u00eaday\u00ee hikumetan pirsgir\u00eakeke mezin e. Em careke din vegerin ser tevgera Zapat\u00eesta; beriya 10-15 salan gih\u00ee\u015ftin astek\u00ea ku hem\u00fb r\u00eaxistin\u00ean ne gir\u00eaday\u00ee hikumetan derxin \u00fb gotin “Em r\u00eaxistin\u00ean ne gir\u00eaday\u00ee hikumetan li vir naxwazin. Ji ber ku hevseng\u00ee \u00fb h\u00eaz\u00ean civak\u00ean her\u00eam\u00ea xerab dike”. Her wiha \u015fagir\u00ean doktoray\u00ea (bi ken v\u00ea hevok\u00ea dib\u00eaje) derxistin \u00fb gotin em naxwazin xelk werin \u00fb li ser me projey\u00ean xwe y\u00ean der\u00e7\u00fbn\u00ea biniv\u00eesin, ji ber ku w\u00ea agahiyan bidin ku em gir\u00eeng\u00ee nadin ku belav bibin.<\/p>\n

R\u00eaxistin\u00ean ne gir\u00eaday\u00ee hikumetan pirsgir\u00eakeke pir mezin e. B\u00ea guman, gelek cudah\u00ee di navberan wan r\u00eaxistinan bi xwe de hene. Hin ji wan bi awayek\u00ee e\u015fkere bi s\u00eestema kap\u00eetal\u00eezm\u00ea re tev digerin. Hin r\u00eaxistin\u00ean din j\u00ee ji \u00e7epgiran p\u00eak t\u00ean \u00fb hewl didin r\u00eabaz\u00ean jiyan\u00ea peyda bikin \u00fb guhartinan p\u00eak b\u00eenin \u00fb dibe ku ew gelek\u00ee rast bin. L\u00ea pirgir\u00eaka navend\u00ee ku w\u00ea her tim bim\u00eene j\u00ee, xistina van r\u00eaxistin\u00ean ne gir\u00eaday\u00ee hikumetan di bin r\u00eaveberiya civak\u00ea de ye.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Zehmet e ku ev yek p\u00eak wer\u00ea.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: Rast e, gelek\u00ee zehmet e<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Ez \u00ea niha behsa Ocalan bikim. Te p\u00ea\u015fgotina par\u00eaznameya Ocalan” Sosyolojiya Azadiy\u00ea” niv\u00eesand. Hest\u00ean te li hember\u00ee raman\u00ean di w\u00ea pirt\u00fbk\u00ea de \u00e7i b\u00fbn. N\u00ear\u00een\u00ean te li ser pirt\u00fbk\u00ean din \u00ean Ocalan \u00e7i ne?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: Dema ez ji bo niv\u00eesandina p\u00ea\u015fgotin\u00ea hatim vexwendin, ji bo min r\u00fbmeteke pir mezin b\u00fb. Heta niha j\u00ee bi v\u00ea yek\u00ea bandor im. Hest\u00ea min \u00ea din ew b\u00fb; rast e, dixwazim v\u00ea yek\u00ea bikim \u00fb p\u00ea\u015fgotina pirt\u00fbka w\u00ee biniv\u00eesim, l\u00ea ten\u00ea bi gotin t\u00ear\u00ea nake ku xwe\u015f b\u00fb. Bi rast\u00ee pir xwe\u015f b\u00fb. L\u00ea di heman dem\u00ea de, ez bi r\u00eabazeke din difikirim; ez bi raman\u00ean w\u00ee re ketib\u00fbm nava diyalog\u00ea. Ji aliyek\u00ee din ve j\u00ee, di xwendina pirt\u00fbk\u00ea de min ti\u015ftek\u00ee n\u00fb e\u015fkere kir. E\u015fkereb\u00fbn ew b\u00fb ku r\u00eabaz\u00ean hizirandin\u00ea bi temam\u00ee cuda b\u00fb \u00fb c\u00eehaneke din a zan\u00een\u00ea b\u00fb. Bo nim\u00fbne, Ocalan pir bal\u00ea diki\u015f\u00een\u00ea ser \u015faristaniya S\u00fbmeran, min nezaniya xwe di v\u00ea mijar\u00ea de d\u00eet. Mijareke balk\u00ea\u015f b\u00fb ku ber\u00ea min ber bi c\u00eehaneke zan\u00een\u00ea ya cuda ve were ki\u015fandin. C\u00eehana zan\u00een\u00ea ya cuda j\u00ee be\u015fek ji heb\u00fbna w\u00ee ya cograf\u00ee \u00fb r\u00eabaz\u00ea hizirandina w\u00ee ye. H\u00ead\u00ee h\u00ead\u00ee, bi berdewamiya xwendina pirt\u00fbk\u00ea re, r\u00eazday\u00eena min j\u00ea re z\u00eadetir b\u00fb. Ocalan dizane \u00e7awa yek\u00ee qan\u00ee bike, her wiha hevgirt\u00ee ye \u00fb di aliy\u00ea zan\u00een\u00ea de gelek\u00ee dewlemend e, bi awayek\u00ee balk\u00ea\u015f.<\/p>\n

L\u00ea di heman dem\u00ea de, min hin cudah\u00ee d\u00eetin. Ez dixwazim li vir bi awayek\u00ee diyalog\u00ee b\u00eajim. Min d\u00eet ku du nuqte hene ku ez bi Ocalan re lihev nakim. A yek\u00ea gir\u00eaday\u00ee s\u00eestema baviksalar e; ev pirsgir\u00eakeke mezin b\u00fb di sal\u00ean daw\u00ee de ku kap\u00eetal\u00eezm rengek ji reng\u00ea s\u00eestema baviksalar e. Texm\u00een bike ku ez \u00ea b\u00eajim er\u00ea, div\u00ea em ji s\u00eestema baviksalar xelas bibin. L\u00ea eger em dixwazin d\u00eenam\u00eezma w\u00earaniy\u00ea ya em t\u00ea de f\u00eam bikin, div\u00ea em li \u015f\u00fbna baviksalariy\u00ea, z\u00eadetir bal\u00ea biki\u015f\u00eenin ser sermayey\u00ea. S\u00eestema baviksalar ji me re behsa reng\u00ea hegemonyay\u00ea dike, l\u00ea ji bo min behsa d\u00eenam\u00eezma hegomanyay\u00ea \u00fb lawazb\u00fbna w\u00ea nake. Ji ber v\u00ea yek\u00ea j\u00ee ez dib\u00eajim, kap\u00eetal\u00eezm heta niha baviksalar\u00ee parastiye, l\u00ea eger em bixwazin civak\u00ea biguher\u00eenin, div\u00ea em bal\u00ea biki\u015f\u00eenin ser sermaye, d\u00eenam\u00eezm \u00fb lawazb\u00fbna w\u00ea.<\/p>\n

Mijareke din ku ez bi Ocalan re li hev nakim, mijara s\u00fbk\u00ea ye. Yek ji hincet\u00ean Marks ku \u00e7avkaniya t\u00eakbirina kap\u00eetal\u00eezm\u00ea, pevguhartina kel \u00fb pelan e anku bi r\u00eaya pevguhartin\u00ean di s\u00fbk\u00ea de, em bi hev re bidin \u00fb bist\u00eenin. L\u00ea wek\u00ee min ji Ocalan f\u00eam kiriye, Ocalan j\u00ee pi\u015ftgiriy\u00ea dide s\u00fbk\u00ea, l\u00ea s\u00fbkeke her\u00eam\u00ee anku s\u00fbkeke bi\u00e7\u00fbk, ne ku s\u00fbk civak\u00ea bi r\u00eaxistin bike. Bi n\u00ear\u00eena min div\u00ea em s\u00fbk\u00ea derbas bikin. Heke s\u00fbka te hebe, t\u00ea wateya ku perey\u00ean te j\u00ee hebin, eger perey\u00ean te hebin, w\u00ea sermayeya te j\u00ee hebe, eger sermayeya te j\u00ee hebe, t\u00ea wateya ku karaseta te j\u00ee heye.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Texm\u00een dikim ku gir\u00eaday\u00ee mijara s\u00fbk\u00ea, Ocalan ji d\u00eeroknas\u00ea frans\u00ee Fernand Braudel bandor b\u00fbye. Ocalan di anal\u00eez\u00ean xwe de, li dij\u00ee keysbaziya li s\u00fbk\u00ea ye. Bawer im ku w\u00ee hizira s\u00fbka b\u00ea keysbaz\u00ee ji Braudel girtiye.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: Bawer im ev yek bi ser nakeve. Dema ku s\u00fbka te hebe, d\u00ea perey\u00ean te j\u00ee \u00e7\u00eabin \u00fb w\u00ea perey\u00ean te bikevin ser hev. Di dawiy\u00ea de d\u00ea sermayeya te j\u00ee \u00e7\u00eabe.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Di demek\u00ea de ku s\u00eestem\u00ean fa\u015f\u00eest \u00fb d\u00eekator \u00fb \u00eeslamperest li Rojhilata Nav\u00een hene, h\u00fbn bawer dikin ku raman\u00ean Ocalan w\u00ea bi gel\u00ean Rojhilata Nav\u00een re bibin al\u00eekar da ku pirsgir\u00eak\u00ean xwe y\u00ean siyas\u00ee \u00fb civak\u00ee \u00e7areser bikin?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: B\u00ea guman er\u00ea. Texm\u00een dikim ku gelek xelk\u00ea li dewlet\u00ean rojavay\u00ee, dema ku behsa Rojhilata Nav\u00een dikin, naxwazin di v\u00ea mijar\u00ea de bihizirin. Li gor\u00ee min, Rojhilata Nav\u00een di rew\u015feke tund \u00fb w\u00earankar re derbas dibe. Eger tu bi \u00e7av\u00ea siyaseta dewlet\u00ea bihizir\u00ee, ne gengaz e tu \u00e7areyek\u00ea bibin\u00ee. Bi rast\u00ee Ocalan \u00fb tevgera kurd\u00ee ev yek \u015fikandin. \u00c7are ew ku jin\u00fbve bi civak\u00ea \u00fb s\u00eestema civakb\u00fbn\u00ea, were hizirandin. Ev ji bo min nameyeke h\u00eaviy\u00ea ya mezin e ku Ocalan \u00fb tevgera kurd\u00ee ji c\u00eehan\u00ea \u00fb taybet ji Rojhilata Nav\u00een re p\u00ea\u015fk\u00ea\u015f dike.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Te di pirt\u00fbka xwe ya bi nave “We are The Crisis of Capital” de be\u015fek bi sernav\u00ea “Zap\u00eesta \u00fb zanista civak\u00ee” niv\u00eesand. Di wir de, te behsa tecrubeya tevgera Zap\u00eesta ya derbaskirina dewlet \u00fb di l\u00eakol\u00eena zanist\u00ee de dual\u00eeteya subjekt\u00eev \u00fb objekt\u00eev \u00fb ji n\u00fb ve naskirina \u015fore\u015f\u00ea, ji bo dewlemendkirina zanist\u00ean civak\u00ee kir. H\u00fbn texm\u00een dikin ku zanist\u00ean civak\u00ee w\u00ea ji tecrubeya Rojava \u00fb nirxandin\u00ean Ocalan f\u00ear bibin?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: B\u00ea guman er\u00ea. Div\u00ea zanist\u00ean civak\u00ee wek\u00ee zanistek\u00ea yan j\u00ee hizirek\u00ea li dij\u00ee civaka niha be. Bi gotineke din, ji bo \u015fikandina d\u00eenam\u00eezma w\u00earaniy\u00ea, div\u00ea bi civak \u00fb r\u00eabaz\u00ean der bar\u00ea p\u00eakan\u00eena v\u00ea yek\u00ea de, were hizrandin. lewma, ji bo min Ocalan xwed\u00ee cihek\u00ee pir gir\u00eeng e, her wiha kar\u00ean tevgera kurd\u00ee j\u00ee pir gir\u00eeng e.<\/p>\n

C\u00eehad: Eger te Ocalan bid\u00eeta \u00fb te y\u00ea k\u00eejan pirs j\u00ea bikira?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Holloway: (Dikene) ev yek d\u00ea pir seyr be. Bi v\u00ea boney\u00ea dixwazim b\u00eajim ku min p\u00ea\u015fgotina pirt\u00fbka “Sosyolojiya Azadiy\u00ea” bi heman pirs\u00ea \u00fb bi xeyala vexwarina \u00e7ayek\u00ea bi Ocalan re b\u00fb, bi daw\u00ee kir. L\u00ea eger min d\u00eet, ez \u00ea bi kelecaneke mezin hest bikim \u00fb bitirs pirsan j\u00ea bikim. L\u00ea bi baweriya min, yek ji pirs\u00ean ku ez \u00ea j\u00ea bikim, d\u00ea ev be; gelo ew ji bo tevger\u00ea \u00e7i hest dike. Diyar e, ev mijareke bi gir\u00eak e. Sala 2015`an dema ku ez li Hamburg b\u00fbm, di roja yek\u00ea de em \u00e7\u00fbn maleke Kurdan. Ti\u015ftek\u00ee xwe\u015f b\u00fb. L\u00ea w\u00eaney\u00ea Ocalan \u00ea li ser d\u00eewar\u00ea mal\u00ea, wek\u00ee r\u00eaber\u00ea sembol\u00eek ku ev yek bi zelal\u00ee li dij\u00ee n\u00ear\u00een\u00ean w\u00ee ye. Dema ku h\u00fbn behsa s\u00eestemeke ku civakb\u00fbn\u00ea bingeh digire bikin, h\u00fbn p\u00eerozmendiy\u00ean sembol\u00eek naxwazin. Pirsa min d\u00ea ev be: Gelo ew \u00e7awa v\u00ea yek\u00ea dib\u00eene? Di t\u00eakiliya xwe ya bi tevger\u00ea re, v\u00ea yek\u00ea \u00e7awa dib\u00eene? Em an j\u00ee h\u00fbn, tu p\u00eerozmendiy\u00ean sembol\u00eek naxwazin. Mebesta min, ne pa\u015fguhkirina gir\u00eengiya w\u00ee \u00fb raman\u00ean w\u00ee y\u00ean dewlemend e. Lewra, nakok\u00ee di navbera r\u00eaberek\u00ee li zindan\u00ea girt\u00ee \u00fb d\u00fbr\u00ee \u00e7avan \u00fb tevgera ku li ser bingeh\u00ea r\u00eaxistinb\u00fbna civak\u00ea mezin dibe, heye. Ti\u015fta ku dixwazim bizanim gelo Ocalan d\u00ea v\u00ea yek\u00ea \u00e7awa binirx\u00eene.<\/p>\n

Werger ji ereb\u00ee: Kendal C\u00fbd\u00ee\u00a0<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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